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[Klemme]

Again we all have different Taste.

I've seen a live clip with Benny some weeks ago and turn in to see it a couple of times a week.

This guy is playing great, Man he's a year older than me - this guy has been practicing seriously hard!. He's a great drummer but is still A VERY young musician, if you want to put it that way. I see great technique in this guy, but a musical and tasteful understanding of making music together with other people IS something that will eventually come with this cat's potential.

I don't get this Play-along-a-clic-track measurement of up-comming drummers. I want to see these guys play music with others, I want to see how they make it comfortable and take responsability on initiative and so on and so on. That is what gives us Gigs, not the endless sportmanship/exhibition that makes young kids buy the products that are shown at the venue.

We should try to Tape some of the Local Jam-sessions we go to. I think that would be much more interesting to hear up-comming drummers play in those situations.

[Groovesmitty]

yes klemme, you make the most sense to me.
I enjoy this guys pocket. I understand what Rob is saying though.
I believe he's just saying, okay well I can trek down the street in NYC and see this level of performing at a jazz fusion bar. What's the big deal?
I happen to agree. This guy is great. But in my opinion, not note worthy at this time and not to the point where other average players like me myself can pick up valuable tips by watching him play. When I watch other young players like Carlock, Hass, and Hoenig at places like The 55 Bar, not only do they have that kind of technique and more, but they have what I like to call amazing musical placement. Where they improvise using the right fill at the right time. That's something I didn't see in Benny Greb. He was very generic sounding to me.

[moosetication]

Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
This guy is great. But in my opinion, not note worthy at this time and not to the point where other average players like me myself can pick up valuable tips by watching him play.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So you wouldn't watch or listen to him just for, you know, the simple enjoyment of it, then?

[Jean-Paul]

Bingo, why can't you just sit down, listen and enjoy?

Remember the context of the video

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And remember all the clinics of Vinnie playing with a play-a-long-click. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It is maturity that creates our judgement but at the same time it is so mature that we forget we were once immature ourselves. [img]graemlins/smarty.gif[/img] [img]eek.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/gulp.gif[/img]

[Andy Edwards]

Originally posted by moosetication:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
This guy is great. But in my opinion, not note worthy at this time and not to the point where other average players like me myself can pick up valuable tips by watching him play.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So you wouldn't watch or listen to him just for, you know, the simple enjoyment of it, then?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL

That sums it all up. People can turn drumming into just this mad measurement tool where someone is not worth listening to because they are only 'quite good'(this is nuts to me)

I happen to think Benny Greb is a great drummer and he's doing a lot of different interesting things. But perhaps I think this coz I'm crap...

[palmerlouie]

all i know is i want to hear flarbostix play!!!

I do actually agree with a lot of what he says - but he must be a great player by the way he shoots down some top players (not meaning benny)! :-)

here is a question - can you swing Flarbostix? im not taking the piss, i mean it. how hard do you swing?

[GoMan]

I personally don't think that these guys (Flarob and Groovesmitty in this case) need to necessarily proove themselves by their playing.

People make fun of big name drummers all the time, like Travis Barker, Joey Jordison and Tre Cool to start off. You're putting your work in front of an audience. Especialy in the context of a clinic where you are promoting your own drumming skills, I don't think you can help it if someone judges you. I think I read someone calling John Mayer a clown on another thread... should this person prove he is better than him too? I don't think so. These players, by putting their selves out into the public are waiting to be judged. If people needed to be better than other people just to earn the right to critisize their music... well... thats crazy.

The problem here is this. Honestly. You could say the same thing in a less offensive way. I don't think it's that bad to say something negative about another player... but you gotta try to charge it with the positive as much as possible. I know like Flarob does weave in nice things about Benny. After all, he starts his comment with "I like Benny"... but as always, I think you should try to tone your attacks down a little. I enjoy and do agree with your posts alot of times. But havn't you noticed that most big fights around here are caused by your controversial posts? Seriously. Just learn to tone it down so people will have an easier time reading your posts man.

[Julius24]

oh, oh, oh. I think something is missing here... What does it matter if Flarob is not even a drummer!? What does it matter if he can not swing? I don?t care why he says what he says, and i don?t really care if he?s rude or not. But -most of the time- he has something interesting to share.
I certainly don?t like the way Cher sings... but i CAN?T sing better than her... Does it matter? I just don?t like her, not because i?m better, just because music (as an art form) it?s all about emotions, and i can?t get emotion from her. Period.
So, please, stop asking Flarob to post a clip of his playing...it?s pointless.

BTW, I really enjoy listening to Benny... maybe as much as i enjoy listening Bisonnette?s solos.
Same kind of drummer, i think. [img]eek.gif[/img]

[S.P]

I wouldnt call benny or any of the guys that you can walk down to a jazz fusion bar and watch play at this level average either.

Drummers that have got to that stage have put in a lot of time and hardwork and are dedicated to their craft.

I try not to put anybody who is playing drums from what in my point of view is an honest place and who play with passion, specially if they are way "better" than me.

Plus, on a forum, i find that looking at the postives and negatives are what is best and not stating ones opinion as the positives or negatives as it tends to cause this kind duel that goes on here, to each his own, just don't share it on here if its going to insult or upset people.

I would be interested though in seeing some HODers back their talk with playing ability because really no one should be talking down peoples playing if it is of a higher level than their own, if there is even such a thing anyway,

Flarob i agree with you sometimes and you make some valid points, but i think that its the way you make it seem as if ur opinion is the law that ticks people off

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 25, 2005 12:47 PM: Message edited by: S.P ]</font>